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Can I Join EPF and ESIC at 64?

Milind Vadjikar |650 Answers |Ask -Follow

Insurance, Stocks, MF, PF Expert - Answered on Sep 06, 2024

Milind Vadjikar is an independent MF distributor registered with Association of Mutual Funds in India (AMFI) and a retirement financial planning advisor registered with Pension Fund Regulatory and Development Authority (PFRDA).
He has a mechanical engineering degree from Government Engineering College, Sambhajinagar, and an MBA in international business from the Symbiosis Institute of Business Management, Pune.
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Question by Ajay on Aug 08, 2024Hindi

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Hi! I am aged 64 years, was last working in an organization where i retired at age of 58 in 2018. I had allocated UAN number thru which i withdrew accumulated epf of that comoany. Now i want to join a company , will i be allowed to enrol for epf and if basic is around Rs 10k would i be elible for esic or as i am 64 not eligible for both. Please guide

Ans: Considering your age(64 years) you are not eligible for EPF as well as ESIC

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Ans: You can continue to contribute to the EPF scheme if you join a new company after availing EPF pension at the age of 58, provided that you are a full-time employee on the company’s payroll.

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Hi sir, i am working in a company since 2010. That time i had pf under a old account in Bangalore as trust account till 2016 when my company got separated from parent comoany and we got new pf account in Gurgaon with same UAN no. We got a mail from company that we will raise online transfer from old to current pf account. When i do account login with UAN no , I can see two lines..one for old and another for current one with balances. When i tried to raise complaint through grievances I got reply from PF office that my old account transfered to new account, but under UAN I can see two accounts still and now able to draw amount from old account. So what will i do now to add old amount to new PF account's account.kindly advise

Ans: Hello;

Since you had different member IDs while you were working for two different legal entities they are shown differently under same UAN.

If you want to transfer funds from old member ID to new member ID then you need to have a clear date of exit(DOE) mentioned.

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Hello I am 37 years old . Following is my financial status 1. FD - 1.5 CRORES 2. MF - 25 LAKHS 3. PROVIDENT FUND - 27 LAKH 4. PPF 3 LAKH INVESTMENTS 1. MUTUAL FUNDS - 90 K per month 2. PPF - 1.5 lakh per year 3.PF - 5 lakhs per year 4.NPS - 10 K per month I have one flat. I want to retire at 47 years of age . I will have a pension of 3.5 lakhs after I retire . My present monthly expenses are 1.3 lakhs . My goals are 1. One child education 2. World travel 3.Own house . Can I retire at the age of 47 fulfilling my commitment.

Ans: Hello;

Let us try to put monetary value to your goals:

1. Child education: 1 Cr
2. World Travel: 40 L (for 2)
3. House: 1.5 to 2 Cr
Grand Total: 3.4 Cr

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1. FD- 1.5 Cr
2. MF-25 L
3. PF-27 L
4. PPF-3L

Ongoing monthly Investments:
1. MF-90 K
2. PPF- 12.5 K
3. NPS-10 K
4. PF-41.66 K

Value of current corpus and ongoing investments 10 years hence:
1. MF-2.51 Cr
2. PPF-27.49 L
3. PF-1.25 Cr
Grand Total: 3.76 Cr

Since your investment value is comfortably above your goal value means you can fulfill your goals as envisaged.

You have a assured pension after retirement despite that you are making disciplined investments into NPS is a commendable aspect.

It can help to boost your retirement income after 60.

Happy Investing;

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I am 46 years old, have a income of 2.8 lacs with variable pay every month after tax deduction. My total CTC is approx 66 lakhs/annum with stock. I have 2 flats worth 1.8 crores, one land worth 9 lakhs, one ancestral land worth 45 lakhs, have company stocks worth 20 to 30 lakhs. PPF current is 32 lakhs for 21 years of experience. My liabilities are home loan worth 80 lakhs. My monthly expenses including EMI is 1.8 Lakhs. My kid education cost 2-3 lakh per annum in Bangalore and she is 12 years in grade 7. Can you help me, how much I need to save every month, so I can have 6-7 crores in liquid money in 10 years and how much should I have for retirement plan by 65+

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You may start a monthly sip of 80 K and top it up every year by 20% to reach a corpus of 4 Cr after 10 years considering modest return of 12%.

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You may need a corpus of 8 Cr to generate a retirement income of 2.8 L per month (post-tax) to cover your inflation indexed regular expenses sans the EMI.

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