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Milind Vadjikar is an independent MF distributor registered with Association of Mutual Funds in India (AMFI) and a retirement financial planning advisor registered with Pension Fund Regulatory and Development Authority (PFRDA).
He has a mechanical engineering degree from Government Engineering College, Sambhajinagar, and an MBA in international business from the Symbiosis Institute of Business Management, Pune.
With over 16 years of experience in stock investments, and over six year experience in investment guidance and support, he believes that balanced asset allocation and goal-focused disciplined investing is the key to achieving investor goals.... more
Anil Question by Anil on Oct 15, 2024Hindi
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Hello Sir, Greetings. My name is Anil. I quit my last job in Sept 2021 and did not withdraw my PF amount till today. I will complete my 60 years in the next year. I have a continuous service af more than 22 years all PF account have transferred time to time when I joined the new organization. Please let me know whether I should continue to keep my PF balance in PF account and will I get the interest every year? Also please let me know when should I start with my PF pension? Thanks in advance for your guidance

Ans: Hello;

You should withdraw your EPF corpus immediately and invest elsewhere.

After 3 continuous years of no contribution, except interest, the EPF account becomes inoperative.

If you have opted for deferred pension you may receive EPS pension after completing 60 years of age.
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Sir,I have worked in private company from September 2011 to feb 2021 where my pf amount was deducted.l have completed 9 years 5 months service and resigned but not withdrawn pf amount.I want to get pension after 60 years what should I do ?
Ans: You can only get pension under the Employees' Pension Scheme (EPS) if you have completed at least 10 years of service. However, you can still withdraw your EPF amount even if you have not completed 10 years of service. To redeem your EPF amount, you can follow these steps:

1. Merge all your previous PF accounts. This can be done online through the EPFO website or at any EPFO office.
2. Fill the Composite Claim Form (Aadhaar based) and submit it to your previous employer.
3. Attach the following documents:

•Copy of your Aadhaar card.
•Copy of your PAN card.
•Bank account statement showing your IFSC code and account number.
•Cancelled cheque from your bank account.

4. Your previous employer will verify the details and submit the form to the EPFO.
5. The EPFO will process your claim and transfer the EPF amount to your bank account.

If you have not worked for more than two months after resigning from your job, you can withdraw the entire balance in your EPF account. If you have worked for more than two months after resigning from your job, you can withdraw only 75% of the balance in your EPF account. The remaining 25% can be withdrawn after two months of unemployment.

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Sir,I have worked in private company from March 2011 to Sep 2021 where my pf amount was deducted.l have completed 10 years 5 months service and resigned but not withdrawn pf amount.I want to get pension after 60 years what should I do ?
Ans: Securing Pension Benefits from EPF After Retirement
Planning for pension benefits from your EPF account after retirement requires careful consideration and proactive steps. Let's outline a strategy to ensure you receive pension benefits after turning 60.

Understanding EPF Pension Eligibility
Assessing Eligibility Criteria

Confirm eligibility for EPF pension benefits by ensuring you have completed at least 10 years of eligible service, which you have accomplished.
Verifying EPF Account Details

Verify that your EPF account reflects your entire service duration accurately, including the period from March 2011 to September 2021.
Retaining EPF Account for Pension Benefits
Maintaining EPF Account

Avoid withdrawing your EPF amount upon resignation to retain eligibility for pension benefits.
Let your EPF account accrue interest and remain active until you reach the age of 60.
Ensuring Continuous Contributions

If you join another organization, ensure that your new employer continues contributing to your EPF account, maintaining the continuity of your EPF membership.
Applying for Pension Benefits
Submitting Pension Application

Upon reaching the age of 60, submit an application for pension benefits to the Employees' Provident Fund Organization (EPFO).
Provide necessary documents, such as identity proof, EPF account details, and pension application form, as per EPFO guidelines.
Completing Formalities

Fulfill any additional formalities required by EPFO, such as verification of service details and submission of supporting documents.
Seeking Professional Advice
Consulting Certified Financial Planner (CFP)

Seek guidance from a Certified Financial Planner (CFP) specializing in EPF matters to ensure compliance with EPF regulations and optimize pension benefits.
A CFP can assist in navigating the pension application process and addressing any complexities or queries that may arise.
Regular Monitoring
Monitoring EPF Account

Periodically monitor your EPF account statements to ensure accuracy and track the accumulation of pension benefits over time.
Following Up with EPFO

Follow up with EPFO authorities regarding the status of your pension application and address any delays or discrepancies promptly.
Conclusion
By retaining your EPF account and completing the necessary formalities upon reaching the age of 60, you can secure pension benefits from your EPF account after retirement. Seeking professional advice and maintaining regular communication with EPFO authorities will help streamline the process and ensure a smooth transition to pension benefits.

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I have worked in India over 15 year and the company that I worked had deducted my PF from my salary and deposited in my PF account. 9 years back I left the job in India and relocated to Dubai. I didn't withdrew my PF and till certain period I was able to see my PF balance. Later I forgot about it and now when I try to login to my account, it doesnt allow me to login as my Aadhaar account was not linked to my PF account. I reached out to my employer and submitted all documents as suggested by my employer to activate my PF account and link my Aadhaar to my PF account . My question is, is it ok to keep my money in PF account until I turn 60/retirement age and withdraw the amount and take benefit of the pension fund. Or should I withdraw the amount now and invest it in FD or MF. I had not withdrawn my PF fund because I was aware that PF allow only 2/3rd of the PF fund to be withdrawn and 1 /3rd remain in the account under pension scheme that we receive as pension after retirement.
Ans: Your situation is quite common among professionals who have relocated abroad. It's great that you are considering your options wisely. Let's explore your options and see what might work best for you.

Understanding Your Provident Fund (PF)
Your Provident Fund (PF) is a long-term savings scheme to provide benefits during retirement. You have a significant amount accumulated from your years of service in India.

Keeping Money in PF Until Retirement
Leaving your money in the PF account until retirement has certain advantages.

Benefits of Keeping Money in PF
Safety and Security: PF is a government-backed scheme, offering high security.

Tax-Free Interest: Interest earned on PF is generally tax-free until withdrawal.

Regular Pension: Upon retirement, you will receive a regular pension from the Employees’ Pension Scheme (EPS).

Potential Drawbacks
Lower Liquidity: Funds are locked in until you reach retirement age, limiting access.

Inflation Impact: The fixed interest rate may not always keep pace with inflation.

Withdrawing PF and Investing Elsewhere
Alternatively, you can withdraw your PF and invest it in other instruments like Fixed Deposits (FD) or Mutual Funds (MF).

Benefits of Withdrawing and Investing
Higher Returns Potential: Mutual funds, especially equity funds, have the potential for higher returns.

Diversification: Investing in different instruments can spread and reduce risk.

Liquidity: Investments in mutual funds and FDs are more liquid, allowing easier access to funds.

Risks to Consider
Market Volatility: Equity mutual funds can be volatile and subject to market risks.

Tax Implications: Withdrawals from PF before 5 years of continuous service are taxable.

Evaluating Fixed Deposits (FD)
Fixed Deposits (FD) are a safe investment option but have their own pros and cons.

Benefits of FDs
Safety: FDs are low-risk and provide guaranteed returns.

Fixed Interest: You know exactly how much interest you will earn over the term.

Drawbacks of FDs
Lower Returns: FDs typically offer lower returns compared to equity mutual funds.

Taxable Interest: Interest earned on FDs is taxable, reducing net returns.

Evaluating Mutual Funds (MF)
Mutual funds can offer better returns, especially if you choose actively managed funds.

Benefits of Mutual Funds
Higher Returns Potential: Over the long term, mutual funds, especially equity funds, can provide substantial returns.

Professional Management: Fund managers handle investments, aiming to maximise returns.

Diversification: Mutual funds spread investments across various assets, reducing risk.

Disadvantages of Index Funds
Average Returns: Index funds mimic market indexes and provide average returns, which may not be optimal.

Lack of Flexibility: They cannot adapt to market changes like actively managed funds can.

Less Protection in Downturns: Index funds cannot avoid poorly performing sectors or stocks.

Choosing Between Direct and Regular Funds
When investing in mutual funds, it’s important to choose between direct funds and regular funds.

Disadvantages of Direct Funds
No Advisory Support: Direct funds lack guidance from a Certified Financial Planner (CFP).

Time-Consuming: Managing and choosing the right funds requires significant time and knowledge.

Higher Risk of Missteps: Without professional advice, the risk of making suboptimal choices increases.

Benefits of Regular Funds
Professional Guidance: Investing through a CFP provides expert advice tailored to your goals.

Regular Monitoring: A CFP regularly reviews your portfolio, making necessary adjustments.

Optimised Portfolio: CFPs ensure your investments align with your risk profile and goals.

Deciding the Best Course of Action
To decide whether to keep your PF or withdraw and invest, consider the following:

Personal Financial Goals
Time Horizon: If you have a long-term horizon, mutual funds might be suitable for higher returns.

Risk Tolerance: Assess your comfort level with market volatility and risks.

Financial Needs
Liquidity Needs: Consider if you need access to funds before retirement.

Tax Considerations: Evaluate the tax implications of withdrawing your PF and the tax benefits of other investments.

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I’m 50 year old professional considering early retirement.. My current investments stand like this 50L in PF, 52L in NPS and another 50 lakhs in FD.. I hv a rent income of 20k and staying in own house.. my plan is investing 40 Lakhs from FD in to SWP withdrawing 40K per month. Balance 10L kept as Emergency fund Keep the NPS invested till I’m 60 later I can buy Annuity from that Is it good option to keep 52L that is in PF for next 3 years (till it earns interest) then I will consider to invest either in SWP or any other mutual funds Pls suggest any corrections needed to this? My monthly expenses will be around 50-60 k that can be met with above arrangement now and later considering inflation
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To generate 40 K monthly income from 40 L fund you will have to do SWP at the rate of 12% which is unsustainable and not prudent.

Because an year of negative and/or flat returns in the market will erode the value of your corpus significantly.

Golden rule for SWP in retirement is that the source fund should be a hybrid fund with low allocation to equity and the SWP rate should not be more than 3-3.5%.

If you are keen to retire now you will have to withdraw the EPF so total corpus will be around 1 Cr.

A 3.5% SWP will yield you a monthly income of around 29.2 K.

Add your rental income of 20 K to this and your total monthly income comes to around 49.2 K.

If you do not wish to utilise your EPF now then you may have to continue working for atleast 5 years more.

Alternatively you may buy an immediate annuity for your corpus of 1 Cr and considering 6% annuity rate it may fetch you a monthly income of around 50 K but the flip side it is not indexed to inflation.

If you are confident of being able to top-up annuity income at 5, 10,15 year interval to match up with inflation then this can be a good option.

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I am 65 year age retired and have no pension. I have made investment in few govt schemes and get some regular income by way of interest but due to inflation and low interest rates scenario emerging pl suggest basket of investment to get regular monthly income of Rs 50000 . I have handsome amount in ppf account which is about to mature
Ans: Your situation reflects prudent planning with investments in government schemes and a maturing PPF. However, inflation and low interest rates demand a diversified strategy for consistent and inflation-adjusted income.

Steps to Achieve Rs. 50,000 Monthly Income
1. Reassess Your Current Investments

Evaluate the performance of your government schemes and compare their returns.
Retain investments offering guaranteed and steady income, like Senior Citizen Savings Scheme (SCSS) or Post Office Monthly Income Scheme (POMIS).
Redeploy funds from low-yield investments to more productive avenues.
2. Utilise the Maturing PPF

PPF offers tax-free corpus. Use this to create a diversified portfolio for stable income and growth.
Split the PPF corpus into equity mutual funds and safer debt instruments.
3. Diversify with Debt and Hybrid Funds

Invest in conservative hybrid funds to generate regular income and protect capital.
Include short-term and medium-term debt funds for steady returns, which are higher than fixed deposits.
4. Set Up a Systematic Withdrawal Plan (SWP)

Use equity or hybrid mutual funds to set up SWPs.
An SWP ensures a steady monthly income while your capital continues to grow.
5. Consider Dividend-Yielding Funds

Dividend-paying mutual funds offer periodic cash flow and potential for capital appreciation.
6. Fixed Income Instruments for Safety

SCSS: Offers assured returns and is tailor-made for senior citizens. Invest up to Rs. 30 lakh as a couple.
POMIS: Provides reliable income for smaller investments.
7. Include Tax-Free Bonds

Invest in high-quality tax-free bonds for steady, tax-efficient interest.
Creating the Income Plan
To achieve Rs. 50,000 per month:

Allocate a portion of funds to safer options like SCSS, POMIS, and tax-free bonds for stability.
Use equity and hybrid funds for growth and inflation protection.
Combine these with SWPs for regular income.
Tax Planning
Interest from SCSS and POMIS is taxable, so invest carefully.
Equity mutual funds have tax-efficient withdrawal options.
Debt funds offer indexation benefits for long-term investments.
Emergency and Health Fund
Keep at least 12 months of expenses in a liquid fund for emergencies.
Maintain your health insurance to handle rising medical costs.
Final Insight

A mix of secure instruments, mutual funds, and systematic withdrawals can comfortably generate Rs. 50,000 monthly income. Periodically review your plan with a Certified Financial Planner to adapt to changing needs and market conditions.

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What should be the corpus one should have in order to get 150000 per month post retirement ??
Ans: To determine the required corpus, let’s address key factors like expenses, inflation, withdrawal strategy, and longevity. A comprehensive plan ensures sustainability.

Factors Influencing Corpus
Monthly Income Requirement
Rs. 1,50,000 per month translates to Rs. 18,00,000 annually.

Inflation Impact
With an average inflation rate of 6%, future expenses will significantly increase.

Withdrawal Rate
A safe withdrawal rate is typically 3-4% per year. This ensures the corpus lasts throughout retirement.

Post-Retirement Investment Returns
Assume a conservative return of 7% from a balanced portfolio after retirement.

Longevity
Plan for a 30-35 year retirement horizon to ensure financial independence.

Calculating the Corpus
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Rs. 18,00,000 ÷ 4% = Rs. 4.5 crore.

Adjust for Inflation:
If retirement is 10 years away and inflation is 6%, you’ll need about Rs. 8 crore to maintain the same lifestyle.

Steps to Build This Corpus
Increase Equity Exposure Now
High-growth equity funds can accelerate wealth accumulation during the pre-retirement phase.

Gradual Shift to Conservative Assets
Transition to hybrid or debt funds five years before retirement to protect the corpus from market volatility.

Systematic Withdrawals
Post-retirement, use SWPs in mutual funds to create a steady monthly income of Rs. 1,50,000.

Health and Emergency Funds
Maintain a separate contingency fund to handle medical emergencies and other unexpected costs.

Tax Implications
Equity Fund Withdrawals:
LTCG above Rs. 1.25 lakh taxed at 12.5%.

Debt Fund Withdrawals:
Taxed as per your income slab.

Plan withdrawals tax-efficiently to optimise cash flow.

Final Insight

With proper planning, achieving a corpus of Rs. 8 crore is feasible for a comfortable retirement. Consult a Certified Financial Planner to optimise your investments and roadmap.

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Hi, I have been an introvert guy for my whole life, but somehow I always got good colleagues which became great friends. But from last 5 years I am in a office where very few people works and that too they are not connected to me. Hence, I get a very little exposer with them. Feels so much lonely in office as there is not a lot of workload also. Most of my day goes watching reels on social media. Sometimes i forgot when last i smiled/laughed at office place where I spends 9 hours of my day (I do talk to my family over phone, but can't help my loneliness). what can I do....worried... A very lonely 45 year male.....
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No one is clear cut introvert or an extrovert, look at yourself closely too... in some circumstances you behave like an extrovert and some areas you behave like an introvert.

Be brave and say "hi" to people around you in the office, you be the first one to greet, this itself can be a starting point to making new friends. A smile and a pleasant "hi" is all it takes.
Look for opportunities to connect with ppl in the office, instead of sending mails or reminders to ppl electronically, just walk up to them and speak to them or call them up to say you have sent a mail/reminder. This way you can establish a human connect.
Also check if you can go to the dining area to eat lunch and during breaks.. do not sit at your desk and have lunch.
Social media and watching reels is a "big no" if you are yearning for human connections. I am glad you talk to your family...outside the office, join book clubs, singing clubs, drama clubs or anywhere your interest lies...you can join a classroom to learn and develop a new skill....

Also check if you are getting enough sleep, exercise, fresh air , sunshine during the day....focus on your diet too!!

Hope this helps... take care of yourself!

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