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Anirban Question by Anirban on Nov 06, 2024Hindi
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My old pf of trust got transfered to curent pf account , both under same UAN no. I can see two pf accounts when i do account log in with UAN, but i can not withdraw from old account neither i can see combined ammount instead i see my old and current pf account. When i raised grievance i got reply from pf office that my old pf got transfered to cureent account. Now i can not raise new grievance within one month. How will i draw old amount or get get old amount get added in current account .please advise

Ans: Hello;

Since you had different member IDs while you were working for two different legal entities they are shown differently under same UAN.

If you want to transfer funds from old member ID to new member ID then you need to have a clear date of exit(DOE) mentioned.

Under the online claim option you can find One Member Transfer option. Just fill that form. submit the transfer request. Then select the present employer to approve your transfer details.

First it will be approved by the current Employer and after that it will be sent to Field Officer.

It will take 5 to 21 days for transferring your account from old member Id to new.

Best wishes;
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I had PF account under UAN number A1 in organisation A. I switched to organisation B and they created UAN B1. I raised transfer request from A1 to B1. Organisation A1 sent me annexure K saying pf is transferred. I then sent this to pf office saying plz send my amount to organisation B1. They say amount is transferred. B1 says they never received the amount. I raised this to pf department and now I am revolving between the two since 3 years. Now my UAN A1 shows no amount but UAN B1 does not show amount credited. How do I tackle this and get my money back?
Ans: Resolving PF Transfer Issues: A Step-by-Step Guide
Dealing with PF transfer issues can be frustrating, but with patience and persistence, we can work towards resolving the situation. Here’s a step-by-step guide to help you tackle this challenge effectively.

Assessing the Situation
Review Documentation

Verify all documents related to the PF transfer, including Annexure K and communication with both organizations and the PF office.
Check UAN Portal

Log in to the UAN portal to verify the status of both UAN A1 and UAN B1.
Contacting Concerned Parties
Organization A1

Reach out to organization A1 and request detailed information regarding the PF transfer status from their end.
Organization B1

Similarly, contact organization B1 and inquire about any updates or correspondence received regarding the PF transfer.
PF Office

Follow up with the PF office regarding the status of the transfer. Provide them with all relevant documents and communication details for their reference.
Escalating the Issue
Grievance Redressal Mechanism

If you encounter challenges in resolving the issue through regular channels, consider escalating the matter through the PF grievance redressal mechanism.
Online Grievance Portal

Lodge a formal complaint through the online grievance portal provided by the Employees' Provident Fund Organization (EPFO). Provide comprehensive details of the issue and attach relevant documents for reference.
Seeking Legal Assistance
Consulting Legal Experts

If the issue remains unresolved despite your efforts, consider seeking assistance from legal experts specializing in PF matters. They can provide valuable insights and guidance on further courses of action.
Legal Recourse

Explore the possibility of taking legal recourse to address the issue, especially if there are discrepancies or delays beyond reasonable timelines.
Maintaining Communication
Regular Follow-Ups

Maintain regular communication with all relevant parties involved in the PF transfer process. Follow up via email, phone calls, or in-person meetings to ensure continuous progress.
Documenting Communication

Keep detailed records of all communication exchanges, including dates, content, and outcomes. These records serve as crucial evidence in case of any disputes or escalations.
Ensuring Resolution
Persistence

Stay persistent and determined in your efforts to resolve the issue. Persistence often pays off when dealing with complex administrative processes.
Patience

While navigating through the resolution process, practice patience and remain optimistic about achieving a favorable outcome. These situations may take time to resolve, but perseverance is key.
Conclusion
Resolving PF transfer issues requires a systematic approach, effective communication, and perseverance. By following the steps outlined above and seeking appropriate assistance when needed, you can navigate through the challenges and eventually secure the transfer of your PF amount successfully.

Best Regards,

K. Ramalingam, MBA, CFP,

Chief Financial Planner,

www.holisticinvestment.in

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Dear Sir I am now 60 yrs and retiring next month. By god's grace I have no EMI, Loan and any liability. My present expenses is around 200,000 Rs/month. I have EPF of 85 lacs, PPF of 17 lacs, FD in Bank of 2 Cr and MFs of 85 Lac so far. I will get 3000 INR as Pension per month. I wish to understand if all this is sufficient corpus down the line for 10 yrs. Please advice how one can manage in this much for a couple.
Ans: You are entering retirement with zero loans, a high monthly budget, and a solid asset base. That is a great position. You now need a very simple, tax-efficient, and low-stress plan to manage this wealth for the next 10 years and beyond.

Let us break this into key sections to plan from every angle.

Your Financial Snapshot at Retirement

You are retiring next month at age 60.

You have no liabilities, which is excellent.

Your monthly household expense is around Rs. 2 lakh.

You have Rs. 85 lakh in EPF, which will now be withdrawn.

You have Rs. 17 lakh in PPF, which is maturing soon or can be extended.

You have Rs. 2 crore in bank fixed deposits already.

You also have Rs. 85 lakh in mutual funds.

Your monthly pension is Rs. 3,000, which is too small to count.

Retirement Corpus Total and Its Strength

Your combined corpus today is about Rs. 3.87 crore.

At 2 lakh monthly expense, your annual expense is Rs. 24 lakh.

You need Rs. 2.4 crore just to cover 10 years without interest.

But your funds will earn income also.

So your present corpus is strong enough for 10 years and more.

With proper planning, this can last 20 years or more.

Expected Inflation and Expense Growth

Inflation is likely to be 6% to 7% yearly on average.

So your Rs. 2 lakh monthly expense may rise to Rs. 3.5 lakh in 10 years.

Your plan should therefore give both income now and growth later.

Your Goals in Retirement

Have monthly income of Rs. 2 lakh that grows over time.

Keep taxes as low as possible.

Maintain full liquidity for any medical or family needs.

Grow part of the corpus for long-term safety.

Leave behind wealth for your spouse or children, if possible.

Problems to Avoid in Retirement

Do not put all money in FDs. Inflation will eat the value.

Do not depend only on interest. It will not grow with expenses.

Do not keep too much in savings accounts. Returns are too low.

Do not chase direct stocks or risky options. You are not working anymore.

Asset Allocation for Next 10 Years

Divide the Rs. 3.87 crore into 3 buckets.

Bucket 1: Income Bucket – For first 5 years of income

This should be around Rs. 1.25 crore.

Use this for immediate monthly income and any emergency needs.

Keep it in laddered fixed deposits (of 1-5 years) and bank RDs.

Also use ultra-short duration debt mutual funds through MFD with CFP support.

Ensure liquidity and steady income.

Bucket 2: Growth + Safety Bucket – For years 6 to 10

Allocate around Rs. 1.25 crore here.

Invest in hybrid mutual funds and short-term debt funds.

Rebalance every 2 years with help of a CFP.

This gives balance of safety and slow growth.

Bucket 3: Long-Term Growth Bucket – For after 10 years

Keep the remaining Rs. 1.37 crore here.

Invest in actively managed mutual funds only, not index funds.

Choose multi-cap, large-cap, and flexi-cap categories.

Do not choose direct mutual funds yourself.

Invest through MFD linked with a Certified Financial Planner.

This will grow money for medical costs, spouse’s future, or legacy.

Your Monthly Income Strategy

From Bucket 1, start a monthly SWP (systematic withdrawal plan) from debt funds.

You can also break small FDs monthly or quarterly to support income.

Refill Bucket 1 every 3 years by transferring from Bucket 2.

From age 70 onward, draw from Bucket 3 if needed.

Always keep 6 months’ expenses in bank savings for liquidity.

Cash Flow and Tax Management

FD interest is taxable at slab rate. So spread FDs between yourself and spouse.

Use debt mutual funds for lower taxes with STCG at 20% and LTCG as per slab.

Mutual funds are more tax-efficient than FDs over time.

Withdraw smartly using SWP to stay within low tax slabs.

You can also use PPF extension with contribution for 5 more years.

That gives tax-free growth and safety.

Emergency Medical Planning

Keep Rs. 15–20 lakh in a separate liquid FD or debt fund for medical use.

This is your health buffer. Do not touch it unless for emergency.

Keep this in joint name with spouse for easy access.

If your health insurance is low, buy a super top-up plan with Rs. 25 lakh or more.

Managing PPF and EPF Corpus

EPF of Rs. 85 lakh can be withdrawn tax-free.

Use part of it to build Bucket 1 and part for long-term Bucket 3.

PPF of Rs. 17 lakh is also tax-free.

You can keep it locked or extend for 5 years with or without contribution.

Use it as a tax-free part of your safety bucket.

Mutual Fund Strategy – What to Do Now

Rs. 85 lakh in mutual funds is a good base.

Do not sell it all suddenly. Use part for Bucket 2 and 3.

Review each fund with your Certified Financial Planner.

Shift from mid or small cap to more stable large/multi/flexi-cap mix.

Use only regular plans. Avoid direct funds.

Direct funds may look cheaper, but you miss support and rebalancing.

A good MFD with CFP helps you avoid wrong switches and panic.

Asset Rebalancing Every 2 Years

Every 2–3 years, revisit your asset buckets.

Move money from growth bucket to income bucket when needed.

Use SWP, FD breaks, and PPF maturity to refill buckets.

This keeps your income smooth and your capital growing.

Legacy and Estate Planning

Create a simple Will. It avoids confusion later.

Nominate spouse or children in all investments.

Keep a record of assets, passwords, and bank details.

Talk to your family and explain the system you have set.

Keep one person trusted for future medical or financial help.

Expenses After 10 Years

At age 70, you may need Rs. 3.5 lakh or more per month.

By that time, Bucket 3 will start giving income.

The mutual fund growth and rebalancing will support this.

If health declines, medical spending can rise. Plan accordingly.

If any lump sum is required, break long-term FDs or redeem mutual funds.

What You Should Not Do

Do not buy new insurance or annuities. You don’t need them.

Do not go for index funds. They do not protect well in falling markets.

Actively managed funds perform better with a proper planner.

Do not invest in stocks or risky bonds for extra returns.

Do not take advice from unqualified persons or relatives.

Do not keep too much idle money in savings accounts.

Use a Certified Financial Planner to Monitor

A CFP will track your income plan, tax impact, and medical reserve.

Your needs will change over 10 years. Rebalancing is a must.

Without planning, even a big corpus can shrink due to wrong choices.

With proper strategy, your corpus can last for 20+ years with growth.

Investment Monitoring Checklist

Review all FDs every year. Renew or restructure as per needs.

Check mutual fund portfolio every 6 months with MFD.

Track income, expense, and surplus monthly.

Record all redemptions and tax impact.

Make your spouse aware of all decisions.

Other Important Tips

Keep a small part in gold only if needed for future gifting.

Avoid new real estate for investment. It reduces liquidity.

Use mobile apps only for checking balances, not for investing.

Always double check SMS and emails from banks or mutual funds.

Maintain a yearly summary sheet of all investments.

Keep one trusted CA or tax expert to help during filing.

Finally

You have built your wealth with care. You can now protect it with discipline.

Rs. 3.87 crore is enough for the next 10–15 years with smart withdrawal.

But you need structure. Divide your corpus into 3 buckets as explained.

Avoid risky new products. Stick to what you understand.

Take help from a Certified Financial Planner to do annual checks.

This will keep your income steady, taxes low, and worries away.

Plan for your spouse too. Ensure she can handle money if anything happens.

With this approach, your retirement can be peaceful and financially secure.

Best Regards,
K. Ramalingam, MBA, CFP,
Chief Financial Planner,
www.holisticinvestment.in
https://www.youtube.com/@HolisticInvestment

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