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I don't have Income to be taxed at slab rate except STCG from DEBT MUTUAL FUNDS I do have income from LTCG, DIVIDENDS, BANK INTEREST ETC If I invest in ELSS whether IT DEPT will allow deduction under Section 80c against STCG FROM DEBT MUTUAL FUNDS in OLD TAX REGIME or they will first set off this income against Rs 3 Lakhs income which is BASIC EXEMPTION LIMIT for Senior Citizens Also, where to show STCG FROM DEBT MUTUAL FUNDS in ITR 3

Ans: 80C is not allowed against STCG taxable u/s 111A and LTCG taxable u/s 112 as well as 112A. Hence in your case STCG not covered in 111A will be adjusted against 80C

Also for old regime 2.5 lacs basic exemption limit will apply

In ITR 3 is not notified for FY 24-25, but in FY 23-24 there was option at serial number 5 wherein you have to show short term capital gain not covered in previous 4 options.
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If one invests in ELSS, is Section 80c deduction available against the SHORT TERM CAPITAL GAINS FROM DEBT MUTUAL FUNDS which is taxed at SLAB RATES and is NOT COVERED UNDER SECTION 111(A) Also, is Rebate under section 87a available in OLD TAX REGIME for incomes from LTCG FROM DEBT MUTUAL FUNDS and STCG from Equity and Debt MUTUAL FUNDS
Ans: Many investors miss the fine details around taxation of mutual fund gains and how tax benefits such as Section 80C deductions and Section 87A rebate apply, especially under the old tax regime.

Let’s explore the answer from a 360-degree personal finance perspective, and break down the two main parts of your query with clarity and structure.

Section 80C and Its Relationship with Mutual Fund Gains
Section 80C allows deduction up to Rs. 1.5 lakh from your gross total income.

ELSS (Equity Linked Saving Scheme) qualifies under this section.

This deduction reduces your taxable income, not the tax on capital gains.

ELSS investment will not offset or reduce capital gains tax directly.

It reduces overall gross income, subject to Section 80C cap.

Short Term Capital Gains (STCG) from debt mutual funds are taxed at slab rates.

This tax applies after your income is reduced by Section 80C deductions.

So yes, investing in ELSS does help lower overall income, not specific STCG tax.

You may get lower slab if ELSS brings your income into next slab bracket.

But it will not specifically reduce only the STCG tax portion.

STCG from Debt Mutual Funds and Section 80C Interaction
STCG on debt funds is now taxed at your income tax slab rate.

There is no benefit under Section 111A for debt mutual fund STCG.

Section 111A only covers STCG on equity mutual funds, taxed at 20%.

Section 80C deduction is applied to total income, not specific gain types.

So, if your gross income is Rs. 8 lakh, and Rs. 1.5 lakh goes into ELSS,

Taxable income becomes Rs. 6.5 lakh. STCG from debt is added here.

So ELSS reduces the tax base, not tax on specific STCG directly.

Section 87A Rebate in Old Tax Regime: Detailed Understanding
Section 87A gives rebate up to Rs. 12,500.

Available when total taxable income is up to Rs. 5 lakh.

This benefit exists even under the old tax regime.

So, if after deductions your taxable income is under Rs. 5 lakh,

Then no tax is payable even if you have capital gains.

But this rebate applies to total tax liability, not just salary.

If you have LTCG or STCG, it counts as income.

And if after adding capital gains your income crosses Rs. 5 lakh,

Then you lose the Section 87A rebate.

So plan smartly to keep income within that slab, if possible.

LTCG from Debt Mutual Funds: Interaction with Section 87A
From April 2023, LTCG and STCG in debt mutual funds are treated equally.

Both are taxed as per slab rate, no indexation benefit is allowed.

So even LTCG from debt funds adds to total income.

Rebate under Section 87A can still apply if net income is under Rs. 5 lakh.

But if income becomes Rs. 5.01 lakh, rebate is fully lost.

There is no partial rebate if you cross Rs. 5 lakh limit.

Plan ELSS, deductions, HRA, and 80D well to stay under Rs. 5 lakh if possible.

STCG from Equity Mutual Funds: Special Rule
STCG from equity mutual funds is taxed under Section 111A.

Flat 20% tax is applicable.

Section 87A does not cover tax under Section 111A.

Even if income is below Rs. 5 lakh, tax on equity STCG is payable.

So, you may end up paying tax on STCG despite low income.

Plan to time redemptions and match losses if possible.

Final Insights
ELSS under Section 80C helps reduce total income, not just gains tax.

Tax from STCG debt funds is applied after deductions, at slab rate.

Rebate under Section 87A in old regime is available up to Rs. 5 lakh income.

But it doesn’t cancel out STCG from equity funds taxed under Section 111A.

LTCG from debt funds is now fully taxable at slab rate, just like STCG.

You should always aim to optimise your deductions to bring income down.

Use ELSS, 80D, and other deductions to minimise tax in old regime.

Always time your redemptions of mutual funds across financial years.

Plan gains to fall in different tax years to use 87A effectively.

Rebalance gains and losses. This helps manage tax and maintain allocation.

Avoid investing in index funds. They do not beat market returns.

Actively managed funds offer alpha, better opportunity, and sector shifting.

Direct mutual funds may save commissions, but lack expert advice.

A Certified Financial Planner through a Mutual Fund Distributor gives you full support.

Helps in fund selection, review, tax efficiency, and portfolio alignment.

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If income consists of salary ( less than Rs 12 lakh) and ltcg on equity and debt mutual funds and exceeds Rs 12 lakh, will 87A rebate allowed by IT ?
Ans: Let us now assess the situation in a very simplified way.

You are earning a salary.
Your salary is less than Rs 12 lakh per year.
You also have long-term capital gains (LTCG).
You have LTCG from equity mutual funds.
You also have LTCG from debt mutual funds.
Your total income, including LTCG, is more than Rs 12 lakh.

So, will you get the Section 87A rebate?

Let us look at the law and assess it properly.

Who Can Claim 87A Rebate?

You must be a resident individual in India.

Your total taxable income must be less than or equal to Rs 7 lakh.

If income crosses Rs 7 lakh, even by Rs 1, rebate will not apply.

The rebate under Section 87A is Rs 25,000 (for FY 2024-25) under the new tax regime.

If you are under the old tax regime, rebate is Rs 12,500 if income is below Rs 5 lakh.

What is Total Taxable Income?

It includes salary, capital gains, interest, rental, etc.

It means your entire income after deductions.

Deductions include 80C, 80D, NPS, home loan interest, etc.

Even capital gains are part of total taxable income.

LTCG on equity funds is tax-free up to Rs 1.25 lakh now.

Anything above Rs 1.25 lakh in LTCG will be taxed at 12.5%.

Debt mutual fund gains are taxed as per your income tax slab.

So, LTCG is included in total income.

Impact of LTCG on Rebate Eligibility

If total income, after all deductions, is above Rs 7 lakh, you are not eligible.

Even if salary is low, LTCG can push income above Rs 7 lakh.

So, 87A rebate is not available if income crosses Rs 7 lakh.

No partial rebate is given if it exceeds by just a small amount.

Simple Summary With Example

Salary: Rs 6.5 lakh

LTCG on equity: Rs 2 lakh

Exempt LTCG: Rs 1.25 lakh

Taxable LTCG: Rs 75,000 (tax at 12.5%)

Total taxable income: Rs 7.25 lakh

Since income > Rs 7 lakh, no rebate under 87A allowed.

You will pay tax on full income as per new tax regime.

Suggestion from Certified Financial Planner

You can use deductions like 80C, 80D, NPS, etc.

These deductions help in bringing total income below Rs 7 lakh.

If total income is reduced to Rs 7 lakh or less, then 87A rebate will apply.

Plan gains carefully to avoid crossing Rs 7 lakh limit.

Spread sale of equity mutual funds across different financial years.

Or use loss harvesting to lower LTCG in the same year.

Key Reminders on Mutual Fund Taxation Rules

For equity mutual funds:

LTCG above Rs 1.25 lakh taxed at 12.5%.

STCG taxed at 20%.

For debt mutual funds:

Both LTCG and STCG taxed as per your income slab.

No indexation benefit anymore.

This increases tax burden significantly for high-income investors.

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Index funds don’t beat the market.

They only match the market returns.

No downside protection during falling markets.

Fund manager has no control over stock selection.

All stocks in index are included even if they perform poorly.

Volatility is high during market corrections.

No active risk management.

They do not suit goal-based long-term investing.

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They aim to beat market returns.

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Flexibility in asset allocation and stock selection.

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Ideal for retirement, children’s education, and wealth building.

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Final Insights

Section 87A rebate is simple but strict.

It is based on your total income after deductions.

LTCG on mutual funds is fully considered in total income.

If total income exceeds Rs 7 lakh, rebate is lost.

You must plan gains and deductions wisely.

Reduce LTCG through staggered redemptions.

Use tax-saving options under 80C, 80D, NPS, etc.

Avoid relying on index funds.

Choose active mutual funds with better performance scope.

Avoid direct funds without proper knowledge.

Get help from a Certified Financial Planner.

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Don’t miss opportunities to plan better.

Tax efficiency and smart fund choices matter every year.

A good planner will help you stay tax-smart and wealth-ready.

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You have done and accumulated quite good at your age in different instruments with varied returns. Let us have a detailed look.

1. Emergency Fund - 10 lakhs in FD - good to go.
2. Term Plan - 1.5 crores - good to go.
3. Health Insurance - provided by employer. However, can take a separate personal insurance for yourself and family.
4. PF - 18 lakhs (continue)
5. NPS - 28 lakhs (continue)
6. PPF - 7 lakhs (can stop continuing, invest only bare minimum to keep account active. Close account upon maturity and reallocate these funds in mutual funds)
7. MF Portfolio - 50 lakhs with 30k monthly SIP
8. Home Loan EMI - 42000

Goals:
- Son's education - after 8 years
- Daughter's education - after 15 years
- Retirement - need 7 crores

You are very much on the right track. Your current financials look strong in terms of fulfiling your financial goals.

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- One house - 15 lakhs; 2 commercial shops - 50 lakhs.

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- Need fund for higher education and marriage of 5 children
- Retirement corpus required after 10 years

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Dear Sir I have invested in a 2 BHK apartment in Mumbai Malad East area near Dindoshi court. The builder is GSA Grandeur. The builder promised to handover the flat possession ready to stay in December 2004. Later due to some issues he informed that the Flat shall be ready by December 2005. Now still he is saying that Falt shall be ready by August 2006. In this regard sir please advise what action I should take against the builder. The Flat cost is 1.11 CR plus registration charges from which I have paid him 1 CR. Kindly guide whom to approach for further action. Regards
Ans: You have taken a major financial step by booking an apartment. I appreciate your initiative in seeking advice. As a Certified Financial Planner, here is a structured menu of action you can take — from validating your rights to escalating with the proper authorities. Make sure to review all your documents and decisions with a qualified property lawyer before proceeding further.

» Confirm the agreement details

Check your Agreement for Sale (or Contract) and note the promised possession date: you mention December 2004, then December 2005, and now August 2006.

Verify whether the builder (GSA Grandeur) / promoter has a registered project under MahaRERA (Real Estate Regulatory Authority, Maharashtra).

See whether the project is listed on the MahaRERA website with a registration number.

Check if the builder has issued written communications about delay and extensions (emails/letters) and whether they have acknowledged the original date and the subsequent revised date.

Retain all payment receipts (you paid Rs 1 Cr out of total Rs 1.11 Cr + registration) and keep a record of when each payment was made and as per which schedule of installments.

» Understand your legal rights under the law

Under the Real Estate (Regulation & Development) Act, 2016 (RERA) and corresponding Maharashtra rules, if a promoter delays handing over possession beyond the agreed time, you have a right to compensation or withdrawal (refund) as per Section 18 of the Act.

You may ask the builder to pay interest on the amount you have paid so far for the period of delay. The model agreement under Maharashtra RERA states that if the promoter is unable to deliver within the time-schedule, the promoter should pay interest for every month of delay.

If the builder fails to deliver within a “reasonable” extended time (or fails entirely), you can choose to withdraw and seek refund of your money, along with compensation.

If the project is not registered with RERA (even though it should have been), then you may have additional grounds for legal action under consumer law or contract law.

Please note: recent judgments highlight that the builder’s delay gives you rights; but home-loan interest you paid may not be fully refundable via consumer forum as per recent rulings.

» Immediate practical steps you should take

Write & send a formal letter (by registered post) to the builder (GSA Grandeur) stating:

You booked the 2 BHK apartment in Malad East near Dindoshi Court.

The agreed (original) possession date was December 2004 (as per the agreement) and subsequent revised dates.

You have paid Rs 1 Cr out of total Rs 1.11 Cr + registration charges.

You demand the builder to clearly state the revised firm date of handing over possession, or alternatively offer you the option to withdraw and refund the money if they cannot meet a firm date.

You seek interest on the amounts paid for the period of delay, as per model agreement and RERA provisions.

Keep all your communication in writing and copy all relevant documents: payment receipts, agreement, letters from builder, any announcements, etc.

Check whether the builder has applied for or received Occupancy Certificate (OC) or Completion Certificate for the project/phase. Without OC the handover is legally incomplete.

» Approach the regulatory and legal forums

Check on the MahaRERA website whether the project is registered and find the project registration number.

If registered, you can file a complaint with MahaRERA (Maharashtra Real Estate Regulatory Authority) under the Act. As per FAQs, you may approach them for a refund, compensation and interest for delay.

If the project is not registered or the builder is non-compliant, you may also consider filing a suit in the consumer forum or appropriate civil court/contract tribunal for breach of contract.

Before filing, consult a lawyer specialising in real estate/consumer law so that all your evidence and claims are framed properly.

» Evaluate your options: continue vs withdraw

If the builder now gives you a firm handover date (with OC, all works completed) then you may choose to continue, given that you have already invested a large sum.

However, if the builder is still giving vague dates (August 2006 or beyond) and there are no signs of progress (OC pending, works incomplete), then you should seriously consider withdrawal and refund.

In that event, you must ask for: full refund of amount paid, interest for delay period (and compensation if justified), plus possible damages for alternative accommodation/rent you may have taken.

Monitor whether the builder is proceeding with construction, obtaining approvals, and has conveyed clear timelines.

» Assessing risk & safeguarding yourself

Since you made the payment long ago and the possession is delayed significantly, there is time-value and risk involved.

Make sure your title rights are secure: the agreement must clearly state your unit, floor, parking (if any), and your payments.

Avoid making any further significant payments unless you receive a possession letter and builder gives you the keys and OC/occupancy certificate.

Check for any lien, mortgage or charge on the builder’s property which may delay transfer further.

Note that property/real estate is subject to large delays and builder insolvency risk; hence your proactive action is wise.

» Document checklist for your case

Agreement for Sale (signed by you and builder) with possession date clause.

Payment receipts/Cheque copies of your payments (1 Cr paid) and records of registration charges.

Written communications from builder about revised dates (December 2005, August 2006).

Project registration certificate on MahaRERA (if available).

Status of Occupancy Certificate / Completion Certificate for the building.

Construction status photographs, society formation records, if any.

Correspondence showing builder’s acknowledgment of delay or your demand for possession/refund.

Any rent/alternative accommodation expense you incurred due to delay (if applicable).

» Timeline of action

Immediately send the registered letter to builder demanding firm date or refund.

Within 1-2 months if builder does not respond with firm date, file complaint with MahaRERA or initiate legal action.

Keep monitoring builder’s progress; if there is substantial delay (many years beyond promised date) your case will become stronger.

Maintain all documents and remain proactive; deadlines and records matter in these matters.

» Final Insights
You have a strong basis to assert your rights. The fact that possession was promised years ago and is still delayed means you are well within your rights to demand either speedy handover or refund/compensation. Initiate formal written demand, verify builder registration under MahaRERA, maintain all records, and seek regulatory/legal redress if builder remains non-responsive. With the right approach and evidence, you can compel the builder to perform or compensate you. Your prompt action now will protect your investment and avoid further loss.

Best Regards,

K. Ramalingam, MBA, CFP,
Chief Financial Planner,
Holistic Investment Planners
www.holisticinvestment.in

https://www.youtube.com/@HolisticInvestment

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