Home > Money > Question
Need Expert Advice?Our Gurus Can Help

Stuck with EPS transfer for new PF account: Help!

Milind

Milind Vadjikar  | Answer  |Ask -

Insurance, Stocks, MF, PF Expert - Answered on Feb 17, 2025

Milind Vadjikar is an independent MF distributor registered with Association of Mutual Funds in India (AMFI) and a retirement financial planning advisor registered with Pension Fund Regulatory and Development Authority (PFRDA).
He has a mechanical engineering degree from Government Engineering College, Sambhajinagar, and an MBA in international business from the Symbiosis Institute of Business Management, Pune.
With over 16 years of experience in stock investments, and over six year experience in investment guidance and support, he believes that balanced asset allocation and goal-focused disciplined investing is the key to achieving investor goals.... more
Romeen Question by Romeen on Feb 17, 2025Hindi
Listen
Money

sir, I have 2 pf account for same organization and while the pf amount is transferred from old to new account, there is still some eps amount remaining in the old account. Due to this reason I am unable to withdraw my pf amount, as I have to transfer the eps amount to new account. but when I attempt to do so , I get a prompt saying "Details of previous account are different than present account. Hence claim request cannot be processed.". Please help me . Also the DOE(Date of exit is not mentioned in old account) , the employer says DOE cannot be entered as you are in the same organization . Please advise in this regard.

Ans: Hello;

You may submit eps transfer request alongwith form 10 C to the EPFO office where your pf accounts are held.

You may route this EPS transfer request through HR Deptt. of your organization.

Best wishes;
DISCLAIMER: The content of this post by the expert is the personal view of the rediffGURU. Users are advised to pursue the information provided by the rediffGURU only as a source of information to be as a point of reference and to rely on their own judgement when making a decision.
Money

You may like to see similar questions and answers below

Ramalingam

Ramalingam Kalirajan  |10872 Answers  |Ask -

Mutual Funds, Financial Planning Expert - Answered on Aug 04, 2025

Asked by Anonymous - Jul 29, 2025Hindi
Money
I have a question on my EPF, I am unable to transfer my old PF money to new company pf account. Everytime I tried it got rejected by field officer and I go to know the information stating previously in old organisation I had applied for pension now that option is not opted by me hence cannot be transfered. I left as is.. because interest was getting accumulated for the old PF account. Now I am worried because the interest did not get credited for this year 2024-25. Please can someone help me about this.
Ans: You’ve acted wisely by tracking your EPF.

Your concern is genuine. Many employees face similar EPF transfer issues due to pension-related mismatches. Let's understand your situation clearly and offer practical, 360-degree solutions.

» EPF transfer rejection due to pension option error

– You had applied for pension withdrawal in your old job.
– That means your EPS account (pension) was settled earlier.
– Now, while transferring, your PF and EPS are both linked.
– Since EPS is already settled, EPFO system is rejecting the request.
– System expects both PF and EPS to be available for transfer.
– But EPS is missing, hence the mismatch causes rejection.

» Leaving old EPF as it is: why it worked till now

– You noticed interest was accumulating till last year.
– EPFO pays interest even on inactive accounts for up to 3 years.
– So, if your old PF became inactive in 2021–22, interest will stop after 2024–25.
– That’s why no interest got credited this year.
– EPFO changed rules: after 3 years of inactivity, interest stops.
– So your old EPF is now considered inoperative.

» Understanding inoperative EPF and its impact

– Inoperative PF earns no interest after 3 years of no contribution.
– This hits long-term compounding badly.
– You will lose value due to inflation.
– Funds remain safe but growth stops.
– You can still withdraw it anytime.
– But it won’t grow anymore.

» How EPS withdrawal earlier blocks transfer now

– EPS (Employee Pension Scheme) and EPF run together.
– When you withdrew EPS from old job, the system marked that account “settled”.
– So, only PF balance remained.
– EPFO transfer system checks for both PF and EPS.
– Since EPS was withdrawn, system thinks account is closed.
– Hence, it doesn’t allow PF transfer alone.
– Manual intervention becomes necessary in this case.

» Next step: what you can do now

– Don’t worry. This is fixable with the right steps.
– You have two main options to act now.

» Option 1: Withdraw the old PF money fully

– Since your old PF account is not earning interest now, you can withdraw.
– Visit https://unifiedportal-mem.epfindia.gov.in/memberinterface/
– Login using UAN and OTP.
– Go to ‘Online Services’ → ‘Claim (Form-31, 19 & 10C)’.
– Choose Form-19 for full PF withdrawal.
– Fill and submit claim.
– Funds will be credited in 5–15 working days.
– Make sure your bank details, Aadhaar, PAN, UAN are linked and verified.
– This is the easiest and cleanest way forward now.

» Option 2: Try manual EPF transfer through grievance portal

– If you still want to transfer funds to new PF account, go for manual route.
– Visit EPF grievance portal: https://epfigms.gov.in/
– Select ‘Register Grievance’.
– Fill your UAN, personal and employment details.
– In subject, mention: “Unable to transfer old PF due to EPS withdrawal”.
– Write clearly: “EPS already settled. Request PF transfer only.”
– Attach relevant documents: previous PF passbook, EPS settlement proof, UAN card, Aadhaar.
– Ask EPFO to allow manual PF-only transfer.
– Follow up with Field Officer at your regional EPFO office.

» Understanding why withdrawal may be better than transfer here

– Your old PF account has stopped earning interest now.
– Keeping idle money in EPFO doesn't make sense.
– You’re missing future growth.
– Transferring also needs manual efforts and delays.
– Withdrawal is faster and cleaner.
– You can reinvest withdrawn money in growth-based instruments.
– You can build wealth more actively from that amount.

» What if you are not able to withdraw also?

– If portal shows error or bank/Aadhaar not updated, do this:
– Go to your employer’s HR for KYC update in EPFO.
– Submit Aadhaar, PAN, and cancelled cheque.
– Once approved by employer, you can withdraw.
– Or update these online in EPFO portal under ‘Manage > KYC’.
– Keep checking status every few days.

» Avoid delay and inaction anymore

– The earlier you act, the better.
– Every month your idle EPF loses earning power.
– Don’t let inflation reduce your corpus value.
– Reinvesting now gives better financial outcomes.

» Reinvest EPF withdrawal smartly for better growth

– If you withdraw EPF, don’t let it sit in savings account.
– You can invest in long-term diversified funds.
– Select regular plans through a Certified Financial Planner or MFD.
– Avoid direct plans.
– Direct funds give no guidance or support.
– Regular funds through an expert help in goal-based, reviewed investing.
– This brings discipline and avoids emotional decisions.

» Why direct mutual funds are not right for most investors

– Direct funds look cheap but lack personalised advice.
– You must track, manage, and rebalance yourself.
– No one guides you if market falls or goals change.
– Without CFP-led support, chances of mistakes are high.
– Many direct fund users exit early or choose wrong schemes.
– Regular plans with expert help lead to better long-term behaviour.
– Costs are higher, but results and peace of mind are better.

» Build long-term wealth using the withdrawn PF amount

– You can split the amount into short-term and long-term goals.
– Use debt mutual funds for next 1–3 year goals.
– Use equity mutual funds for 5+ years goals.
– Avoid index funds.
– Index funds copy market returns only.
– They do not adapt to market conditions.
– They cannot beat inflation in all phases.
– Actively managed funds can outperform with expert decisions.
– Choose experienced fund houses with good track record.

» Keep future PF accounts active always

– In your new job, ensure your EPF is regularly updated.
– Link Aadhaar and PAN with UAN.
– Download passbook every 6 months and track interest.
– Update nominee details.
– Keep mobile number active and linked.
– Regular monitoring prevents similar problems in future.

» Watch out for new EPF rules and interest changes

– EPFO interest rate changes yearly.
– Inactive accounts earn nothing after 3 years.
– Keep PF active by contributing or transferring.
– Long gaps reduce interest benefit.
– Track annual credit in April–July every year.

» Use grievance portal for any future issues

– EPF-related issues are best resolved via: https://epfigms.gov.in/
– Raise ticket with UAN and issue details.
– Attach screenshots or documents if needed.
– EPFO responds within 10–15 days usually.
– Follow up by calling regional office if delay happens.

» Consider PF partial withdrawal only when needed

– You can withdraw PF for home, marriage, or medical needs.
– But full withdrawal should be done only after job change or unemployment.
– Avoid breaking PF for short-term needs.
– It breaks long-term compounding.
– Use emergency funds instead.

» EPS amount once withdrawn cannot be restored

– Since you withdrew EPS earlier, you cannot restore pension benefit now.
– Only PF balance is available now.
– Future employers will build new EPS account.
– At retirement, EPS benefit depends on service years and contribution.
– Keep tracking EPS service years regularly.

» Build a backup for retirement beyond EPF

– EPF alone is not enough for retirement.
– It is low-growth and conservative.
– Use SIPs in equity funds through regular plans.
– Use PPF or debt funds for stability.
– Build a diversified retirement corpus over time.
– Don’t depend only on EPF interest.

» Final Insights

– You’ve done well by monitoring EPF and raising concerns.
– Act quickly now—withdraw or request manual transfer.
– Let the funds work for you again.
– In future, avoid PF inactivity beyond 3 years.
– Reinvest the funds for long-term wealth.
– Take support from a trusted CFP-led platform or MFD.
– Avoid DIY mistakes in mutual funds.
– Build a better, stable future using informed choices.

Best Regards,
K. Ramalingam, MBA, CFP,
Chief Financial Planner,
www.holisticinvestment.in
https://www.youtube.com/@HolisticInvestment

..Read more

Latest Questions
Ramalingam

Ramalingam Kalirajan  |10872 Answers  |Ask -

Mutual Funds, Financial Planning Expert - Answered on Dec 06, 2025

Asked by Anonymous - Dec 06, 2025Hindi
Money
Dear Sir/Ma'am, I need some guidance and advice for continuing my mutual fund investments. I am a 36 year old male, married, no kids yet and no debts/liabilities as such. I have couple of savings in PPF, NPS, Emergency funds and long term investing in direct stocks. I recently started below mentioned SIPs for long term to grow wealth. Request you to review the same and let me know if I should continue with the SIPs or need to rationalize. Kindly also advice on how to invest a lumpsum amount of around 6lacs. invesco small cap 2000 motilal oswal midcap 2700 parag parikh flexicap 3000 HDFC flexicap 3100 ICICI prudential largecap 3100 HDFC large and midcap 3100 HDFC gold etf FOF 2000 ICICI Pru equity and debt fund 3000 HDFC balanced advantage fund 3000 nippon india silver etf FOF 2000
Ans: You already built a solid foundation. Many investors delay planning. But you started early at 36. That gives you a strong advantage. You have no liabilities. You have long term thinking. You also have diversified savings like PPF, NPS, Emergency funds and direct stocks. That shows clarity and discipline. This approach builds wealth with less stress over time.

You also started systematic investments in equity funds. That is a positive step. Your selection covers multiple categories like large cap, mid cap, small cap, flexi cap, hybrid and precious metals. So the intent is right. You are trying to create a broad portfolio. That gives balance.

» Your Portfolio Composition Understanding
Your current SIP list includes:

Small cap

Mid cap

Flexi cap

Large cap

Large and mid cap

Hybrid category

Gold and Silver FoF

Equity and Debt allocation fund

Dynamic hybrid fund

This shows you are trying to cover many segments. But too many categories can create overlap. When there is overlap, you get confusion during review. It also makes portfolio discipline difficult. You may think you are diversified. But the holdings inside may repeat. That reduces efficiency.

Your portfolio now looks like:

Equity dominant

Hybrid for stability

Metals for hedge

So the broad direction is fine. But simplifying helps in long-term habit building.

» Fund Category Duplication
You hold:

Two flexi cap funds

One large and mid cap fund

One pure large cap fund

One mid cap fund

One small cap fund

Flexi cap funds already invest across large, mid, small. Then large and mid also overlaps. So the large cap exposure gets repeated. That may not add extra benefit. But it increases monitoring complexity.

So I suggest rationalising. Keep one fund per category in core. Keep satellite space for only high conviction.

» Core and Satellite Strategy
A structured portfolio follows core and satellite method.

Core portfolio should be:

Simple

Long term

Stable

Satellite portfolio can be:

High growth

Concentrated

Based on your thinking level, you can structure like this:

Core funds:

One large cap

One flexi cap

One hybrid equity and debt fund

One balanced advantage type fund

Satellite funds:

One mid cap

One small cap

One metal allocation if needed

This division gives clarity. You can continue SIPs with review every year. No need to stop and restart often. That reduces behavioural mistakes.

» Your Current SIP List Review with Suggested Streamlining

You can consider continuing:

One flexi cap

One large cap

One mid cap

One small cap

One balanced advantage

One equity and debt hybrid

You may reconsider keeping both flexi caps and both gold silver funds. One of each category is enough. Because too many funds do not increase returns. It complicates tracking.

Precious metal funds should not be more than 5 to 7 percent in your portfolio. This is because metals are hedge assets. They do not create compounding like equity. They act as protection during cycles. So keep them small.

» How to Use the Rs 6 Lakh Lump Sum
You asked about lump sum investing. This is important. Lump sum should not go fully into equity at one time. Markets move in cycles. So use a staggered method. You can invest the lump sum through STP (Systematic Transfer Plan). You can keep the amount in a liquid fund and set STP toward your chosen growth funds over 6 to 12 months.

This reduces timing risk. It also creates discipline. So your Rs 6 lakh can be deployed gradually. You may use 50% towards core equity funds and 30% toward satellite growth category. The remaining 20% can go into hybrid category. This gives balance and comfort.

» Regular Funds Over Direct Funds
One important point many investors miss. Direct funds look cheaper. But they demand deep knowledge, discipline, and behaviour control. Most investors lose more through emotional selling and wrong timing than they save on expense ratio.

With regular funds through a Mutual Fund Distributor with Certified Financial Planner qualification, you get guidance, structure and correction. The advisory discipline protects you during market extremes. That is more valuable than a small saving in expense ratio.

A personalised planner also tracks portfolio drift, rebalancing need and category shifts. So regular fund investing gives long-term benefit and behaviour coaching.

» Actively Managed Funds over Index or ETF
Some investors choose index funds or ETF thinking they are simple and cheap. But they ignore drawbacks.

Index funds or ETF will not avoid weak companies in the index. They will invest whether the company grows or struggles. There is no fund manager decision making. So when markets are at peak, index funds continue aggressive exposure. In downturns also they fall fully. There is no cushion.

Actively managed funds work with research teams. They can avoid bad sectors. They can shift allocation based on market and economy. Over long term, this gives better alpha and stability. So continuing with actively managed funds creates better wealth compounding.

» SIP Continuation Strategy
Once the rationalisation is done, continue SIPs every month without interruption. Pause and restart behaviour damages compounding power. SIP works best when you go through all market cycles. You benefit more during corrections because cost averaging works.

So continue SIP amount. You can also review SIP increase every year based on income. Increasing SIP by 10 to 15 percent every year helps you reach large corpus faster.

» Asset Allocation Based Approach
One key point in wealth creation is having the right asset mix. Equity gives growth. Hybrid gives balance. Metals give hedge. Debt gives safety. Your asset allocation should stay aligned to your risk profile and time horizon.

Since you are young and have long term horizon, higher equity allocation is fine. But as time moves, rebalancing is important. Rebalancing protects gains and restores allocation.

So review your asset allocation every year or during major life events like child birth, home buying or retirement planning.

» Behaviour Management
Many portfolios fail not due to bad funds. They fail due to bad decisions. Selling during correction. Stopping SIP when market falls. Chasing past return performance. These mistakes reduce wealth.

Your discipline so far is good. Continue to stay patient during volatility. Equity rewards patience and time.

» Financial Goals Clarity
Since you have no children now, you can decide your long-term goals. Typical goals may include:

Retirement

Future child education

Dream lifestyle purchase

Health care reserves

When goals are clear, investment purpose becomes stronger. So you can map each fund category to goal horizon. Short-term goals should not use equity. Long-term goals should use equity with hybrid support.

» Role of Review and Monitoring
Review once in a year is enough. Frequent review can create anxiety. Annual review helps check:

Fund performance

Expense drift

Category relevance

Allocation balance

Then adjust only if needed. This progress helps you stay confident and aligned.

» Taxation Awareness
Equity mutual funds taxation rules are:

Short term (below one year holding) taxable at 20 percent

Long term (above one year holding) gains above Rs 1.25 lakh taxable at 12.5 percent

Debt mutual funds are taxed as per your income slab.

So always hold equity funds for long term. That reduces tax impact and gives better growth.

» SIP Increase Plan
You can create a simple plan to increase SIP over time. For example:

Increase SIP at every salary increment

Increase SIP during bonus time

Use rewards or extra income for investing

This habit accelerates wealth. So by the time you reach 45 to 50 years, your investments could reach a strong level.

» Insurance and Protection
Before investing large, ensure you have term insurance and health insurance. If not already done, it is important. Insurance protects wealth. Without insurance, even a small medical event can impact investment plan. So review this part also. Since you are married, cover both.

» Wealth Behaviour Mindset
You are already disciplined. Just keep these simple principles:

Invest without stopping

Review once a year

Avoid funds overlap

Follow asset allocation

Avoid reacting to media noise

This helps you reach long term milestones.

» Finally
You are on the right track. Only fine tuning and simplification is needed. Your discipline is visible. Your portfolio will grow well with structure, patience and periodic review. Use the Rs 6 lakh with STP approach. And continue SIP with rationalised categories.

With time and consistency, wealth creation becomes effortless and peaceful. You just need to stay committed and avoid overthinking during market movements.

Best Regards,
K. Ramalingam, MBA, CFP,

Chief Financial Planner,

www.holisticinvestment.in

https://www.youtube.com/@HolisticInvestment

...Read more

Dr Dipankar

Dr Dipankar Dutta  |1837 Answers  |Ask -

Tech Careers and Skill Development Expert - Answered on Dec 05, 2025

Career
Dear Sir, I did my BTech from a normal engineering college not very famous. The teaching was not great and hence i did not study well. I tried my best to learn coding including all the technologies like html,css,javascript,react js,dba,php because i wanted to be a web developer But nothing seem to enter my head except html and css. I don't understand a language which has more complexities. Is it because of my lack of experience or not devoting enough time. I am not sure. I did many courses online and tried to do diplomas also abroad which i passed somehow. I recently joined android development course because i like apps but the teaching was so fast that i could not memorize anything. There was no time to even take notes down. During the course i did assignments and understood the code because i have to pass but after the course is over i tend to forget everything. I attempted a lot of interviews. Some of them i even got but could not perform well so they let me go. Now due to the AI booming and job markets in a bad shape i am re-thinking whether to keep studying or whether its just time waste. Since 3 years i am doing labour type of jobs which does not yield anything to me for survival and to pay my expenses. I have the quest to learn everything but as soon as i sit in front of the computer i listen to music or read something else. What should i do to stay more focused? What should i do to make myself believe confident. Is there still scope of IT in todays world? Kindly advise.
Ans: Your story does not show failure.
It shows persistence, effort, and desire to improve.

Most people give up.
You didn’t.
That means you will succeed — but with the right method, not the old one.

...Read more

DISCLAIMER: The content of this post by the expert is the personal view of the rediffGURU. Investment in securities market are subject to market risks. Read all the related document carefully before investing. The securities quoted are for illustration only and are not recommendatory. Users are advised to pursue the information provided by the rediffGURU only as a source of information and as a point of reference and to rely on their own judgement when making a decision. RediffGURUS is an intermediary as per India's Information Technology Act.

Close  

You haven't logged in yet. To ask a question, Please Log in below
Login

A verification OTP will be sent to this
Mobile Number / Email

Enter OTP
A 6 digit code has been sent to

Resend OTP in120seconds

Dear User, You have not registered yet. Please register by filling the fields below to get expert answers from our Gurus
Sign up

By signing up, you agree to our
Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy

Already have an account?

Enter OTP
A 6 digit code has been sent to Mobile

Resend OTP in120seconds

x