Home > Money > Question
Need Expert Advice?Our Gurus Can Help

Offline PF account after 14 years: Can I still convert it online or withdraw money?

Milind

Milind Vadjikar  | Answer  |Ask -

Insurance, Stocks, MF, PF Expert - Answered on Nov 27, 2024

Milind Vadjikar is an independent MF distributor registered with Association of Mutual Funds in India (AMFI) and a retirement financial planning advisor registered with Pension Fund Regulatory and Development Authority (PFRDA).
He has a mechanical engineering degree from Government Engineering College, Sambhajinagar, and an MBA in international business from the Symbiosis Institute of Business Management, Pune.
With over 16 years of experience in stock investments, and over six year experience in investment guidance and support, he believes that balanced asset allocation and goal-focused disciplined investing is the key to achieving investor goals.... more
tushar Question by tushar on Nov 22, 2024Hindi
Listen
Money

Hello Sir I worked in corporate sector till 2010 & started doing my own business after that... in those days PF accounts used to be offline and I have my PF account number with me... My old number has been changed and it is with some other person who is not willing to share any OTP with me so i can not convert that offline account into online and create a URN Please let me know 1. how to convert that account online now since it has been inactive for 14 years??? Coz I may join the job sector again so I do not want to close that account 2. If Creation of URN is not possible then how do I withdraw my old PF amount??. 3. In case I join a new company, what should I tell them regarding my PF account.. I mean do they still accept offline PF accounts in corporate??

Ans: Hello;

Recovery from old dormant EPF accounts could be a tedious and draining experience. Their is lot of scope for improvement at EPFO end on this matter.

However if you get into regular employment again it will make things a lot easier because you will have a UAN and a new EPF account.

You may link your old pf account with your UAN or also merge it with your new PF account.

Best wishes;
DISCLAIMER: The content of this post by the expert is the personal view of the rediffGURU. Users are advised to pursue the information provided by the rediffGURU only as a source of information to be as a point of reference and to rely on their own judgement when making a decision.
Money

You may like to see similar questions and answers below

Ramalingam

Ramalingam Kalirajan  |11179 Answers  |Ask -

Mutual Funds, Financial Planning Expert - Answered on May 29, 2024

Money
I have worked in India over 15 year and the company that I worked had deducted my PF from my salary and deposited in my PF account. 9 years back I left the job in India and relocated to Dubai. I didn't withdrew my PF and till certain period I was able to see my PF balance. Later I forgot about it and now when I try to login to my account, it doesnt allow me to login as my Aadhaar account was not linked to my PF account. I reached out to my employer and submitted all documents as suggested by my employer to activate my PF account and link my Aadhaar to my PF account . My question is, is it ok to keep my money in PF account until I turn 60/retirement age and withdraw the amount and take benefit of the pension fund. Or should I withdraw the amount now and invest it in FD or MF. I had not withdrawn my PF fund because I was aware that PF allow only 2/3rd of the PF fund to be withdrawn and 1 /3rd remain in the account under pension scheme that we receive as pension after retirement.
Ans: Your situation is quite common among professionals who have relocated abroad. It's great that you are considering your options wisely. Let's explore your options and see what might work best for you.

Understanding Your Provident Fund (PF)
Your Provident Fund (PF) is a long-term savings scheme to provide benefits during retirement. You have a significant amount accumulated from your years of service in India.

Keeping Money in PF Until Retirement
Leaving your money in the PF account until retirement has certain advantages.

Benefits of Keeping Money in PF
Safety and Security: PF is a government-backed scheme, offering high security.

Tax-Free Interest: Interest earned on PF is generally tax-free until withdrawal.

Regular Pension: Upon retirement, you will receive a regular pension from the Employees’ Pension Scheme (EPS).

Potential Drawbacks
Lower Liquidity: Funds are locked in until you reach retirement age, limiting access.

Inflation Impact: The fixed interest rate may not always keep pace with inflation.

Withdrawing PF and Investing Elsewhere
Alternatively, you can withdraw your PF and invest it in other instruments like Fixed Deposits (FD) or Mutual Funds (MF).

Benefits of Withdrawing and Investing
Higher Returns Potential: Mutual funds, especially equity funds, have the potential for higher returns.

Diversification: Investing in different instruments can spread and reduce risk.

Liquidity: Investments in mutual funds and FDs are more liquid, allowing easier access to funds.

Risks to Consider
Market Volatility: Equity mutual funds can be volatile and subject to market risks.

Tax Implications: Withdrawals from PF before 5 years of continuous service are taxable.

Evaluating Fixed Deposits (FD)
Fixed Deposits (FD) are a safe investment option but have their own pros and cons.

Benefits of FDs
Safety: FDs are low-risk and provide guaranteed returns.

Fixed Interest: You know exactly how much interest you will earn over the term.

Drawbacks of FDs
Lower Returns: FDs typically offer lower returns compared to equity mutual funds.

Taxable Interest: Interest earned on FDs is taxable, reducing net returns.

Evaluating Mutual Funds (MF)
Mutual funds can offer better returns, especially if you choose actively managed funds.

Benefits of Mutual Funds
Higher Returns Potential: Over the long term, mutual funds, especially equity funds, can provide substantial returns.

Professional Management: Fund managers handle investments, aiming to maximise returns.

Diversification: Mutual funds spread investments across various assets, reducing risk.

Disadvantages of Index Funds
Average Returns: Index funds mimic market indexes and provide average returns, which may not be optimal.

Lack of Flexibility: They cannot adapt to market changes like actively managed funds can.

Less Protection in Downturns: Index funds cannot avoid poorly performing sectors or stocks.

Choosing Between Direct and Regular Funds
When investing in mutual funds, it’s important to choose between direct funds and regular funds.

Disadvantages of Direct Funds
No Advisory Support: Direct funds lack guidance from a Certified Financial Planner (CFP).

Time-Consuming: Managing and choosing the right funds requires significant time and knowledge.

Higher Risk of Missteps: Without professional advice, the risk of making suboptimal choices increases.

Benefits of Regular Funds
Professional Guidance: Investing through a CFP provides expert advice tailored to your goals.

Regular Monitoring: A CFP regularly reviews your portfolio, making necessary adjustments.

Optimised Portfolio: CFPs ensure your investments align with your risk profile and goals.

Deciding the Best Course of Action
To decide whether to keep your PF or withdraw and invest, consider the following:

Personal Financial Goals
Time Horizon: If you have a long-term horizon, mutual funds might be suitable for higher returns.

Risk Tolerance: Assess your comfort level with market volatility and risks.

Financial Needs
Liquidity Needs: Consider if you need access to funds before retirement.

Tax Considerations: Evaluate the tax implications of withdrawing your PF and the tax benefits of other investments.

Conclusion
Deciding whether to keep your PF until retirement or withdraw and invest in other options depends on your financial goals, risk tolerance, and need for liquidity. Keeping your PF offers security and a regular pension, while withdrawing and investing in FDs or mutual funds could potentially offer higher returns. Consulting with a Certified Financial Planner can provide personalised guidance and help optimise your investment strategy.

Best Regards,

K. Ramalingam, MBA, CFP,

Chief Financial Planner,

www.holisticinvestment.in

..Read more

Milind

Milind Vadjikar  | Answer  |Ask -

Insurance, Stocks, MF, PF Expert - Answered on Nov 18, 2024

Asked by Anonymous - Nov 18, 2024Hindi
Listen
Money
I am 64 years old and previously worked at Observar India Ltd. for over 15 years. However, the organization shut down many years ago, and I do not have the UAN (Universal Account Number) or PF (Provident Fund) number associated with my employment during that period. After my tenure at Observar India Ltd., I began working with Viacom18, where I am currently employed, and I have all the necessary details of my present PF account. I would like to know the process for retrieving or transferring the PF funds accumulated during my time at Observar India Ltd. to my current PF account. Considering that the company no longer exists and I lack the old PF details, what steps can I take to initiate the process? Additionally, what documents or records will be required to locate and claim the funds from my previous employment? Any guidance on dealing with such situations where the employer is no longer operational would be greatly appreciated.
Ans: Hello;

If you don't remember your EPF account number and your employer is closed, you can try these options:

1. Check your salary slip: Employers usually include the PF account number on the employee's salary slip.

2. Visit the EPFO office: You can visit the EPFO office with your identity proof and application form to get your PF number.

3.Call the EPFO helpline: You can call the EPFO helpline for information and to track past accounts.

4.Go to the EPFO website: You can fill out some basic information on the EPFO website to locate your dormant account.

Once you get the pf account number you may proceed for offline or online withdrawal of the same.

Best wishes;

..Read more

Milind

Milind Vadjikar  | Answer  |Ask -

Insurance, Stocks, MF, PF Expert - Answered on Dec 30, 2024

Listen
Money
Dear PF Experts, My daughter worked in 3 different organizations from 2011 to 2021 (one after the other without any gaps in service and without any overlaps also). She is not working now. When she was working in 3rd organization, she was able to get UAN. In this UAN, PF accounts of second organization and third organization are mapped/moved. Somehow, first organization’s PF account not moved to this UAN. My queries are:- 1) Can she move first organization’s PF account to the above UAN now? If so, what is the procedure to move? 2) Can she withdraw the full PF amount available in UAN now through online mode without moving first organization’s PF account to UAN and claim PF amount accumulated through first organization at a later date through offline mode? 3) Somewhere I read that even for claiming PF amount available in UAN, first we need to merge the accounts in UAN. Is it correct? When two accounts are already available in UAN, why merging is required? Not able to understand merging point clearly. If merging is required, how to merge the accounts? Or can she withdraw one after the other? It would be great if suitable advice / guidance is given to us. Best regards Murali Krishna
Ans: Hello;

Answers to your queries as given below:

1. Yes she may link First company pf with this UAN.

2. Yes, but it is advisable to withdraw entire pf in one go! The complexity of withdrawing from old pf account not linked to current UAN will only increase with time.

3. Merging multiple pf accounts under single UAN(active) is a simple online process(EPFO provides step by step guide on their website for the same, even other reliable resources are available). It is essential to do so before withdrawal.

Best wishes;

..Read more

Latest Questions
Dr Nagarajan J S K

Dr Nagarajan J S K   |3031 Answers  |Ask -

NEET, Medical, Pharmacy Careers - Answered on May 20, 2026

DISCLAIMER: The content of this post by the expert is the personal view of the rediffGURU. Investment in securities market are subject to market risks. Read all the related document carefully before investing. The securities quoted are for illustration only and are not recommendatory. Users are advised to pursue the information provided by the rediffGURU only as a source of information and as a point of reference and to rely on their own judgement when making a decision. RediffGURUS is an intermediary as per India's Information Technology Act.

Close  

You haven't logged in yet. To ask a question, Please Log in below
Login

A verification OTP will be sent to this
Mobile Number / Email

Enter OTP
A 6 digit code has been sent to

Resend OTP in120seconds

Dear User, You have not registered yet. Please register by filling the fields below to get expert answers from our Gurus
Sign up

By signing up, you agree to our
Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy

Already have an account?

Enter OTP
A 6 digit code has been sent to Mobile

Resend OTP in120seconds

x